"devilin" Hi joe have you downloaded any anti virus, and firewall software yet?

"joe" no I can't see the point, I've never had any viruses, and I never go to any nasty sites, I don't open email's from people I don't know, so I don't really need any of that stuff

"devilin"? How long have you been on the net?

"joe" About a year

"devilin" then you're definitely infected,

"joe" no I'm not, I would have noticed

"devilin" ? What a big skull and crossbones, with your screen being eaten?, that's movie stuff, the vast majority of nasty stuff, doesn't self advertise,

"joe" so what if I was infected, I haven't noticed, anything, its not affecting anything I do, so what's the problem ? even if I was infected

"devilin" ever used your credit card online?

"joe" NO

"devilin" How do you pay for your Internet connection then?

"joe" I did that via telephone, anyway all that credit card, and bank stuff is done with a secure sever, that padlock thing, its all secure, encrypted files and everything

"devilin" secure, only means, secure there end, and its pity pointless if you're wide open at your end, every encryption package known to man has been broken, why do you think they keep introducing new encryption, because the old one, is no longer safe, and if you got something recording your keyboard activity, they don't need to break any encryption,

"joe" yeah, but what's the chances, of somebody sitting there waiting for me to type something in? They'd never know when I went online, it would be impossible

"devilin" its all done automatically, nobody is sitting there waiting, you're computer records and then sends the recorded information automatically,

"joe" yeah but I've never used my credit card online, and I've never opened any email's from people I don't know, so there's no problem

"devilin" you don't need to open an email to become infected, and without a firewall and anti virus protection, viruses and other nasty stuff can be downloaded directly onto your computer, you'd never know, and there are other issues involved around nasty stuff, not just credit card issues

"joe" like what

"devilin" well, without any protection, you're computer can be used for any number of illegal activities, somebody trying to hack, a government computer, not wishing to get court themselves, could use your computer as a screen, or somebody could use your computer to send out Spam possibly illegal porn , you'd never know, until you got a knock on the door,

"joe" yeah like that stuff really happens, how come I've never heard about it, it would be on the news, and everything

"devilin" it has, and it happens so often, its no longer news worthy,

"joe" well, I can't afford any protection,

"devilin" there's free protection via my site

"joe" free, yeah that's going to be trash then, nothing is for free in this world what's the catch?

"devilin" the free programs, some are donationware, relying on the good nature of people to finance the programs, others are commercial business endeavors, i.e. some companies don't bother with small amounts of money from individuals, they rely on large amounts of money from businesses, one of the most affective ways of advertising there product, its to let individual uses, use a basic versions of their products, brand loyalty, others let you use a basic version of the product hoping you're buy their full version,

"joe" these basic versions, there trash then?

"devilin" No the core of the program is usually exactly the same on both versions, the pay for is usually is easier to use with more facilities

"joe" so all free versions are good then?

"devilin" depends upon the product, I test all the software on my site, its all good stuff, I use it myself, anything that I recommend, I've trusted with the safety of my computer